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be a magnificent failure in their eyes

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sheep go ahead be the scar tissue of

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their worldview their

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normality they will loathe you

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that's david ike speaking to a huge

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he's in today's interview on skeptico

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science and consciousness

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you were one of the first people to

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on this fake scientific understanding

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of consciousness and its insistence that

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what you've just described is the

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foundation to mass human control

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without which mass human control cannot

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infinite flow of consciousness then

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consciousness you know you are an

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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alex akaris

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influential people of course it's time

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broke the boundaries to reveal what we

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david ike although he's never appeared

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i've got a black shirt on today for one

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reason i'm not in mourning

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it's the only color that won't show me

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it's hot in the world at the moment hey

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synchronicity uh has been remarkable

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have a real virus

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and you um you have a virus that is

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quote

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deadly and you have a virus that is um

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very uh sinister in terms of human

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health

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then what you um what you don't have to

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do

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certificates

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all over the world when people have died

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of other things

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and you don't have to invoke

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financial incentives in america

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to get hospitals to diagnose

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respiratory symptoms as covid19

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and not something else what we

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also have is um the rtpcr

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test which is not testing for a virus

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when you've got people like kerry mullis

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who invented the thing i got the nobel

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prize for

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it saying that um these um this

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test should not be used to diagnose

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infectious disease and

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that's where the cases are coming from i

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mean you know you

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if people read the answer and the two uh

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chapters i've done

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on this uh like i say quoting

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um doctors virologists medical

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professionals etc who you'll never see

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in the mainstream media

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they'll see um the scale of the scam

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that's gone on

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david i don't want to get too far in the

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weeds on this because

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the overall picture that you're painting

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in terms of

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the ability to shift the numbers shift

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the deaths shift the testing

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all that stuff i'm totally down with

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that all the research i've done

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confirms that i just want to know if

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you're open to the possibility

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that you know you mentioned the

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the postulate that we can isolate the

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virus

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the possibility

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that they have done that just like they

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did it with the

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sars virus but i mean virologists this

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is what they do all day long they do it

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for chickens they do it for

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cows they do it for pigs and they also

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do it for human beings they isolate

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viruses they

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culture them in labs and stuff first of

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all we we can go to and throw it

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on this forever people should read the

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answer

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and look at the evidence put forward

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there which is immense

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they should go to the videos of dr

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andrew kaufman

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and they should look at other people who

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are challenging this

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and you'll see how they explain away

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this

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claim to have been isolated i mean if

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you're going back

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as many many people have now to the

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original scientists

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who claim to have isolated and purified

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the virus

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and you're going to those that have

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produced these papers and you're asking

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them a simple question

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are were you dealing with a purified

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isolated virus and they say no

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well i mean you know where do you go

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from there

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but no i i hear you and i don't even

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want to i don't want to hammer it on

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anymore like i said

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go to the answer read the book there's

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tons of stuff on your website as well

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it's great your time is limited so

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you are the man on consciousness that's

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been the main

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focus of this show hundreds of

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interviews with some of the leading

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consciousness researchers on the

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frontier of that

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technology or that science i should say

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but you take it at such a deeper level

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and you connect it

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in some really important ways that i

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think are central to

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if you will the answer through all of

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this but where i wanted to start on the

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consciousness question

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is you really truly were one of the

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first people

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to really blow the whistle on this

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fake scientific understanding of

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consciousness and its insistence

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that we are biological robots in a

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meaningless universe

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and we should accept our empty lives and

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just get on with it

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and i think that is one of the central

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central conspiracies

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to this whole thing and you've

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completely deconstructed that and

401
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destroyed that from the very beginning

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do you want to talk about science's

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claim that

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you are nothing you are a meaningless

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robot in a meaningless universe and how

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that fits into the overall

407
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plan the overall agenda well two things

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um

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quote covid19 i think there is a virus

410
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but it's not a fiscal virus it's a mind

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virus

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over vast ways of the human race and

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that's what's driving this thing

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and on the other other side what you've

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just described

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is the foundation to mass human control

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without which mass human control cannot

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happen

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because um if you know

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that you are in your true eye

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uh an expression of consciousness a

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point of attention within an infinite uh

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flow of consciousness

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and that your point of attention can be

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the size of a p

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or it can be infinite it's just how um

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open and what level of consciousness you

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want to choose to allow in

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then there's no way that a handful of

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psychopaths and

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idiots which is basically the

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combination that runs the world

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can impose themselves on your life

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in the way that you will acquiesce to

435
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whatever they tell you

436
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you won't do it because you know

437
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you are consciousness you know you are

438
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an infinite expression of consciousness

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and that will never allow itself to be

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subjugated

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and uh intimidated into submission

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by um by the said psychopaths and uh and

443
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idiots

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so what you have to do if you want mass

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control this been going on for a long

446
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time

447
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you have to isolate what i call in the

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answer

449
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five sense mind from the infinite level

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of consciousness

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so five sense mind should be an

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expression

453
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of a greater self but once you isolate

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that

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into what i uh symbolize in the book is

456
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a bubble

457
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if you can isolate five sense mind in in

458
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this symbolic bubble

459
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and then within the bubble feed

460
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that isolated mind a sense of reality

461
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by controlling the education system all

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the way through the formative years by

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controlling the

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um the mainstream media the silicon

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valley media and and so on

466
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then you can um first of all isolate

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mind from expanded consciousness and

468
00:18:06,549 --> 00:18:02,480
then you can program that

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isolated mind with a sense of reality

470
00:18:10,830 --> 00:18:09,760
which is all about little me it's all

471
00:18:13,350 --> 00:18:10,840
about

472
00:18:13,669 --> 00:18:13,360
self-identification with labels what i

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call

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imr i am a man i am a woman i am

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are black i am our white i am i am this

476
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sexuality i am our that sexuality

477
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um and and what you're doing is you're

478
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creating a

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what i call a phantom self

480
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where you are manipulating five sense

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mind to perceive

482
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its true eye

483
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as what it is experiencing because all

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those labels i've just

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00:18:46,549 --> 00:18:45,039
reeled off are not who we are they're

486
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they're what who we are

487
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is experiencing and once you you

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um lose um the the

489
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understanding of that now you are at the

490
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mercy

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of those that control the information uh

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in society and

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we talk about being in the information

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age and who controls information

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it runs everything well there's a simple

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reason for that because from

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information received comes perceptions

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formed and from perceptions formed comes

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behavior played out so controlling

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information

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overwhelmingly uh manipulates perception

502
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which then leads to behavior you control

503
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information you control behavior

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david can you add because i've heard you

505
00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:32,960
talk about this before and it's been a

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hot button for me

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can you speak more about how science

508
00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:39,360
in particular as we've come to as we've

509
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come to understand it

510
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uh psychology biology neurology

511
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how all that has been wrapped up in what

512
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:50,000
you call this

513
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five senses kind of bubble and

514
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:55,919
isolate it and this idea that never will

515
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extend beyond that

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we'll never consider the kind of

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00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:00,160
extended consciousness

518
00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:02,480
experiences that you had that were so

519
00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:04,000
transformative to you

520
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:05,440
that thousands and now millions of

521
00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:07,520
people have had and said hey i had this

522
00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:09,200
near-death experience or i had this

523
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out-of-body experience this shamanic

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experience

525
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and it totally transformed me and then

526
00:20:17,909 --> 00:20:16,000
we have science as an institution saying

527
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:17,919
no that just never happened it's

528
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:19,679
impossible because you are merely your

529
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:20,720
brain

530
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:24,720
yeah well um if you

531
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chart back into the ancient world

532
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um you had a widespread

533
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:34,400
perception that

534
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:37,120
we are consciousness they you know

535
00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:38,640
different names different

536
00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:41,280
uh descriptions to an extent but

537
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:44,000
basically there was a widespread

538
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,960
um belief that we are consciousness and

539
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:48,480
that there are other

540
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:50,720
worlds there there there is an an

541
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infinite um

542
00:20:59,470 --> 00:20:55,520
experience but like i said earlier

543
00:21:02,470 --> 00:20:59,480
if you have people in that

544
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,480
self-identity they become a nightmare to

545
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:04,080
control

546
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:07,919
so what happened is the the global cult

547
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:09,840
as i call it i explain what that is in

548
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:10,159
the

549
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as it created mainstream medicine

550
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:19,280
through the rockefeller family

551
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:27,909
cult science shall we say is basically

552
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:30,400
can i see it touch it say taste it

553
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,400
hear it um okay exist then

554
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:36,480
and if i can't then it it probably

555
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:37,600
doesn't

556
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:40,640
and what i've just described is exactly

557
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:42,640
what i described a few minutes ago

558
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:46,000
about the five sense mind science

559
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:50,480
itself is an institutional

560
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:55,039
um expression of the five sense mind

561
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:58,880
and if therefore um your only tool is a

562
00:22:03,110 --> 00:21:59,840
hammer

563
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:03,120
every situation looks like a nail and

564
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,080
that's what is

565
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:06,320
has happened with mainstream science but

566
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,000
there's also talking of the

567
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:10,880
of of the hammer the way these

568
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:13,600
institutions are policed the way

569
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,919
uh the medical profession with regard to

570
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:17,120
this quote virus

571
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,039
is being policed now i can tell you i

572
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:21,600
haven't talked to enough of them

573
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:25,679
is by um the carrot and the stick

574
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:29,039
that is if you um parrot the official

575
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:30,320
narrative

576
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:32,080
then you'll get letters after your name

577
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:34,000
you'll get fated you'll get uh

578
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:37,039
your peers are um are in awe of you and

579
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:38,320
you will become a

580
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:41,200
um a celebrated scientist or at least

581
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:42,880
you'll survive in the scientific

582
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:44,240
profession

583
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:47,280
but as we've seen through um

584
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:49,520
so long if you are a maverick and what

585
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:51,120
is a maverick it's someone that wants to

586
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:52,880
think outside of the box

587
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,360
and go into places that the institutions

588
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:57,120
don't want you to go because if you do

589
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,640
you might find something out that they

590
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,720
don't want the people to know

591
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:03,120
and so you have this self-policing

592
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:04,720
mechanism

593
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,840
whereby you benefit if you sing from the

594
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:09,200
song she

595
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:12,080
and you take the consequences if you

596
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:13,039
don't

597
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,559
um try getting um funding

598
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:18,400
if you're challenging human cause

599
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:20,000
climate change

600
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,200
try getting funding if you are um

601
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:25,679
singing from the song sheet no problem

602
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:26,320
easy

603
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:28,960
so this is how it's self-policing and

604
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:29,760
and um

605
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:33,280
so there's a reason for that

606
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:36,559
and the reason is science

607
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:39,600
in its true um nature

608
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:42,559
in its true expression which is the

609
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:44,559
unbridled pursuit of

610
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,840
knowledge would come across

611
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:49,760
this stuff i mean you go into the

612
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:50,960
quantum physics

613
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:54,000
realm uh they're already

614
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:57,039
well along that road um

615
00:24:01,029 --> 00:24:00,000
but i mean i even you know you even see

616
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:01,039
that you see

617
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:04,559
that where the the quantum disciplines

618
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:04,880
of

619
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,520
acknowledge that yes the quantum physics

620
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:13,679
exists we can't ignore that

621
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:15,039
but they crack on with their own

622
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:17,120
discipline as if there is no quantum

623
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:19,120
well it's shut up and calculate you know

624
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:20,480
yes shut up about the

625
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:23,279
philosophical implications and uh and

626
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:25,120
calculate hey can i shift gears though

627
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:25,440
because

628
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:26,799
there's so many topics i want to talk

629
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,279
about you just mentioned

630
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,279
the cult of science and everything you

631
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:33,039
said that i thought was

632
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:35,840
just so uh beautiful and there's so many

633
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:37,919
subtleties there that i hope people can

634
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:40,480
pull out of that but the cult word is

635
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:41,039
such an

636
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,640
important word you know a couple years

637
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:44,960
ago you wrote a very important book the

638
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:45,679
trigger

639
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:48,559
that not only provided probably the most

640
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:49,200
complete

641
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:52,640
breakdown of 9 11

642
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:56,240
act as a part of this control process

643
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:00,559
but you also connected it to a deeper

644
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:03,200
cultish connection of this sabbatian

645
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,240
frankish

646
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:06,799
death cult and this idea that if we

647
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:08,960
can't all be saints then let's all be

648
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:10,720
sinners which was the

649
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:14,080
go-to ideology of the

650
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:17,520
sabatian franchise can you review

651
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:20,559
that for us and connect it to what

652
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:21,919
you're talking about

653
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,000
in the answer because i think people

654
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,559
really struggle you know what you do

655
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:28,799
that no one else does is you connect all

656
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:29,600
these dots

657
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:31,200
so you just can lay it out on the

658
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:33,039
science side and now you can you're

659
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,640
going to talk about the cultish

660
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:36,320
death cult and its connection to

661
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:37,919
religion which is the other

662
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:40,400
the twin pairing of that and then you

663
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:41,440
can even go

664
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:44,080
hopefully we'll be able to get to the

665
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,840
e.t and the ufo phenomena which

666
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,840
everybody always wants to you know

667
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:49,440
stovepipe this stuff

668
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:51,039
and treat them like they're separate and

669
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:52,720
you're the only guy who can

670
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:55,279
kind of do full spectrum but talk for a

671
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:57,520
minute about that that sabbateen francis

672
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:00,720
death cult transgression do the opposite

673
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:02,480
of what the right thing in your heart

674
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:05,679
is to do has been this ongoing recurring

675
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:06,400
theme

676
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:10,159
of these folks well um i i do talk uh i

677
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:12,400
do uh talk about the seventeen francis

678
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:15,279
uh cult in um in the answer and weave it

679
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:16,159
in with

680
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:18,159
with with current events as well as much

681
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:19,520
much else

682
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:24,000
um but um you know to break this down

683
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:27,760
into a into a simple um

684
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:31,919
explanation um i've been writing for

685
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:34,559
a long time decades really here in

686
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:35,039
different

687
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,360
what i call a mine virus

688
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,600
and when i say mind virus and i mention

689
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:43,200
it already in our chat

690
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:46,400
i'm not talking about um the kind of

691
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:48,720
virus that people say is a physical

692
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:49,520
virus

693
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:52,559
the

694
00:27:02,549 --> 00:26:59,440
and um it basically works

695
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:02,559
in the human mind in the same way that

696
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:03,679
computer virus works

697
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:07,679
so um if you think of a computer

698
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:10,400
that's the five sense mind and then

699
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:11,760
you've got the person

700
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,720
on the keyboard with the mouse that's

701
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,880
expanded consciousness

702
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:18,960
now when there's a virus that takes over

703
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:20,320
the computer

704
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:24,159
um if it's bad enough the person on the

705
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:24,960
um

706
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:27,279
the keyboard and the and the mouse is

707
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:28,559
banging away

708
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,640
and the computer is not reacting it's

709
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:32,640
now gone its own way something else has

710
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:34,159
taken over

711
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,080
and i say and i've been saying for a

712
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:37,919
long long long time

713
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:42,159
that there is um a a consciousness

714
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:45,760
that is in a very distorted state

715
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:48,880
um that and that distortion

716
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:53,200
makes it malevolent in its intent

717
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,960
which um attaches to the human mind it

718
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,240
particularly uh

719
00:28:01,669 --> 00:28:00,960
because it's of a frequency in and of

720
00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:01,679
itself

721
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,399
and not a high frequency either if you

722
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,399
get pulled into low vibrational

723
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:08,720
emotional states like depression and

724
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,480
anxiety and fear and

725
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,640
resentment hatred all these low

726
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:16,640
vibrational emotions then you you are

727
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:17,679
basically

728
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:20,640
moving your your frequency state into

729
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:22,640
its stadium

730
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,360
um a drug uh taking and stuff like that

731
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:27,840
can pull you into its stadium

732
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:31,200
and um what i was um uh reading the

733
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:32,960
other day and i've just got a book which

734
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:33,919
i'm

735
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:37,520
quite away into already um was the um

736
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,679
native american concept of what they

737
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:41,600
call a teacup

738
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:44,320
which is in the way it's described and

739
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,600
many many different

740
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:47,760
native american groups have different

741
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:50,559
names but watico is one of them

742
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:52,000
what they're describing is what i've

743
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:53,600
been describing my books over the years

744
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:57,600
as a com equivalent to a computer virus

745
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:01,440
and so if you take that symbolism

746
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:04,559
of the computer and the uh the guy at

747
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:06,399
the keyboard the guy the keyboard being

748
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,039
the

749
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:09,679
symbolic of expanded consciousness what

750
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:10,080
this

751
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:14,720
um mind virus does is get into that

752
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:18,480
that that gap for want of a word

753
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:21,279
between the five sense mind and expanded

754
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:22,559
awareness

755
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:25,760
and it can isolate uh you in these

756
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:27,919
bubbles that i'm talking about

757
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:31,120
and the um the whole the whole thing

758
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:34,080
takes place in the subconscious mind

759
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:35,919
this mind virus operates in the

760
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:38,880
subconscious mind the conscious mind

761
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,720
believes it's making its own decisions

762
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,080
and coming to its own

763
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:44,559
um conclusions and perceptions but

764
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:45,919
actually they're being fed

765
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:49,840
um out of the subconscious mind uh and i

766
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:53,440
have seen this such a tremendous

767
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:56,880
amount in the last few months where i've

768
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:57,279
seen

769
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:01,039
people who have concluded

770
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,880
their perceptions of this quote virus

771
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:04,559
situation and what should happen and all

772
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:05,600
the rest of it

773
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:07,520
and these are my opinions this is what i

774
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:10,000
think and then you listen to them

775
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,000
and they're simply repeating the

776
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,159
official narrative

777
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:16,399
and what which they've taken to be their

778
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:17,600
own

779
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:20,559
perception and one of the concepts of

780
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:21,360
watico

781
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,559
is that it's a mind blindness

782
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,640
which convinces the conscious mind that

783
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:28,559
it's not blind

784
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:31,600
thus people are operating um

785
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,600
in a state of mind blindness while

786
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:35,360
thinking they're not

787
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:37,919
and it's it works in the subconscious in

788
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:38,640
the very

789
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:42,240
similar way to subliminal inserts and

790
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,000
advertisements

791
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:46,159
whereby the conscious mind looks in

792
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,440
advertisement and there's

793
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:49,360
there's a subliminal insert there

794
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:50,640
subliminal

795
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:52,960
below threshold below the threshold of

796
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:55,919
the conscious mind and it won't see it

797
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,840
but once someone points out the

798
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:59,360
subliminal insert

799
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,360
and this is i've experienced this it

800
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:03,120
absolutely happens

801
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,519
from that moment on the conscious mind

802
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:07,200
every time it looks at that advert

803
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:08,880
the first thing it will see will be the

804
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:15,669
implant insert and one of the concepts

805
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:16,559
of watiko

806
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:18,960
is that if when the conscious mind

807
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:20,960
becomes aware

808
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:25,039
of its influence

809
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:28,480
that its influence wanes and goes

810
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:37,190
a quick way to um

811
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:40,640
bypass this mine virus which goes under

812
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,080
endless different names in endless

813
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:44,799
different cultures the same concept

814
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,669
redesignation re-evaluation of

815
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:52,960
self-identity

816
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:57,279
because while we are self-identifying

817
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:58,000
with our

818
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:01,840
labels what are we self-identifying with

819
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,600
with five sense concepts

820
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:07,440
and thus we're pulled into the five

821
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:08,640
sense realm

822
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:12,880
by our um by our perception of

823
00:32:19,230 --> 00:32:16,240
of that being the eye but

824
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:19,240
when you um re-evaluate your

825
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,399
self-identity

826
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:23,039
from i am my labels to i am the

827
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,080
consciousness

828
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:26,880
having the experience called the labels

829
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:27,279
then

830
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:30,159
immediately your perception of self

831
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:31,600
expands

832
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:34,240
you no longer ethel on the checkout or

833
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:34,720
bill

834
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,360
at the call center that's an experience

835
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,440
you are the consciousness ultimately

836
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:41,600
infinite in nature that is having that

837
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:42,640
experience

838
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:46,320
and as you um expand your self-identity

839
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:48,559
you expand your consciousness

840
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:51,440
your consciousness moves into higher

841
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:52,240
frequencies

842
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:55,760
of um of resonance and you are

843
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:59,200
you are leaving the realm of what's he

844
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:00,799
called the mind virus the

845
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:04,080
mind blindness look that is outstanding

846
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:04,640
and there

847
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,279
i want every bit of that in there but i

848
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:08,960
also want to return you

849
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:10,960
particularly because there's like a

850
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,120
number of different plays

851
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:16,080
in the playbook right so the watico is

852
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:16,880
one

853
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:21,440
really think what you tuned into

854
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:25,120
with this sabbatian cult of evil

855
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:29,440
and which is only available to us

856
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:32,240
because of the cult of religion so we

857
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,760
take a cult like

858
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,919
the the jewish cult just like the

859
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:37,679
christian cult just like all

860
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,480
religions taken obfuscate our true

861
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,159
relationship to the largest

862
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,320
to the larger consciousness in order to

863
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:46,320
kind of create this control mechanisms

864
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:47,919
that's what religions do

865
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:49,760
it doesn't mean that some spirituality

866
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:51,440
can't come through them but

867
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:53,360
what i think is particularly important

868
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:54,640
that you point out

869
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:58,559
is this idea of transgression

870
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:01,360
the idea of redemption through sin the

871
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:02,480
idea that it's

872
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:05,200
best to do the worst and that will

873
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:06,000
somehow so

874
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,079
that is another it's almost like a

875
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:10,240
different mind virus that gets played

876
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:10,639
out

877
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:12,079
but what i thought you did such a

878
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,079
beautiful job of explaining is

879
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:16,800
i think a lot of people have a trouble

880
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:17,919
understanding

881
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:20,960
how these folks could do such

882
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:24,320
horrible horrible things and i think you

883
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,960
really

884
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:27,040
tuned into it there is that they are

885
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:28,079
raising

886
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:31,359
that horror to uh something that they

887
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,679
celebrate as being their highest form of

888
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:35,200
their spiritual expression

889
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:38,240
and as twisted as that might be they've

890
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:38,960
made that

891
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:41,200
their religion do you have any thoughts

892
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:42,159
on any of that

893
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:45,520
well um i was just going to complete the

894
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:46,560
um

895
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:49,520
the the the uh sequence of what i was

896
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:50,800
talking about

897
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:53,679
which was going to bring me into sabote

898
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:55,359
and francis and was going to bring me

899
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:56,320
into this

900
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:59,359
global death cult that i expose in the

901
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:00,560
answer

902
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,000
because having described

903
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:07,200
what's he called this um

904
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:11,200
this deeply imbalanced deeply distorted

905
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:13,760
state of consciousness

906
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:16,480
and what this death cult is whether it's

907
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:18,400
the sabbaty and frank is part of it or

908
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:18,960
whether it's

909
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:22,320
um other expressions and the the global

910
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:23,200
cultures

911
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:26,400
as a whole it is a

912
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:30,320
completely wateco controlled

913
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:33,520
state of mind state of

914
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,800
consciousness state of perception so

915
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:38,960
when you look at sabote and francism for

916
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:40,079
instance

917
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:43,040
one of the things it does is invert

918
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:44,960
everything

919
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,240
and what is this distortion this

920
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,240
distorted consciousness that the native

921
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:52,160
americans call watico i call the mind

922
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:53,040
virus

923
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:56,079
it is a distortion

924
00:36:03,829 --> 00:35:59,359
of balanced

925
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:03,839
love based reality um and

926
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:06,000
you know if you look through through

927
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:07,280
history you

928
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:10,079
wherever you go whether it's a religion

929
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:12,160
or whether it's a native

930
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:15,280
um kind of

931
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:18,400
culture you have this constant

932
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:21,200
theme of good versus evil and all that

933
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,079
stuff

934
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:24,640
and i would suggest this comes from this

935
00:36:29,390 --> 00:36:26,960
distorted consciousness

936
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:29,400
that seeks to manipulate and and

937
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:31,280
assimilate

938
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:34,560
other consciousness into itself

939
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,440
and and that which is love which is

940
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:39,599
balance that which is harmony

941
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:43,119
etc and so

942
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:46,720
you have this mind virus but this cult

943
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:49,920
is its human expression because

944
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:58,310
is based on its distortion

945
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:01,680
this is why this death cult um is

946
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:04,400
connected and i've connected it so many

947
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:05,200
times

948
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:09,119
to satanism to pedophilia to the banking

949
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:09,680
system

950
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:13,119
crushing human uh human lives

951
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:16,160
all these things that have gone on

952
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,520
all the things that we'd rather like the

953
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:21,200
world to be rid of

954
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:22,960
including current events i would

955
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:24,640
strongly suggest

956
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:27,040
are actually expressions through this

957
00:37:34,270 --> 00:37:28,560
cult

958
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:34,280
of this mind virus and it's seeking to

959
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:38,160
manipulate the general population

960
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:41,680
into these low states of

961
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:45,760
emotional frequency i mean look around

962
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:48,960
alex at current events

963
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:53,200
what what level of anxiety and fear

964
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:56,079
uh is coming off people what

965
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:57,440
increasingly i see

966
00:38:01,430 --> 00:38:00,800
what what level of hatred is coming off

967
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:01,440
people

968
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:04,960
all these divisions in society this is

969
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:07,359
classic expressions of this mind virus

970
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:08,560
and this cult

971
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:11,920
which in in its um if you like physical

972
00:38:16,829 --> 00:38:12,640
human

973
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,839
form um is

974
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,960
structuring and manipulating human

975
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:20,079
society to

976
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:22,880
generate these low vibrational emotions

977
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:24,240
so what does that do

978
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,359
it starts to um make a

979
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,440
vibrational fusion between this

980
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:31,200
distortion and the increasingly

981
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:32,640
distorted

982
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:35,760
human perceptual uh states

983
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:37,520
caused by the way that society is

984
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:40,880
manipulated so the answer

985
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:44,480
the answer is is not to find a solution

986
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:47,920
it's to go the other way uh

987
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:51,839
to stop getting um pulled into these

988
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:54,800
low vibrational emotions because again

989
00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:57,359
you go back to the watico concept

990
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:59,920
um the native americans and and others

991
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,560
who have

992
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:02,160
different names for the same concept

993
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:03,680
talk about the fact i've mentioned it

994
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:04,800
already

995
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,000
that once you identify

996
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:11,040
its influence upon you with the

997
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:12,560
conscious mind

998
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:15,680
it loses its power uh

999
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:20,079
and you know when you uh you read um

1000
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:23,200
articles by psychologists and and you

1001
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:23,520
see

1002
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:26,720
various studies that have been done they

1003
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:29,520
estimate that 95

1004
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:32,160
of human action which is usually

1005
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:33,839
reaction

1006
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:37,119
is subconscious in nature you can see

1007
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:39,280
that actually the conscious mind

1008
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:42,480
um becomes a spectator

1009
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,280
to the subconscious mind and it's in the

1010
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:47,520
subconscious that this mind virus

1011
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:48,560
operates

1012
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,359
and thus um is hidden from the conscious

1013
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:53,520
mind but when it ceases to be hidden

1014
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,079
then it loses its power david what is

1015
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:58,079
part of your daily process

1016
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:01,200
your practice to return to that larger

1017
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:02,640
consciousness

1018
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:05,839
i don't do anything i don't do anything

1019
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,240
um except one thing i always do what i

1020
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:12,160
what i know to be right what i what i

1021
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:14,720
what i i feel to be right

1022
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:18,000
so um for instance um if i

1023
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:21,440
um feel i know

1024
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:23,520
not least through endless scientific

1025
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:24,800
studies

1026
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:28,079
but um wearing a mask is a bad for your

1027
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:29,280
health and b

1028
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:31,839
it is actually not about health talk the

1029
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,400
masks

1030
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:34,560
it's about subjugation it's about

1031
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:36,880
submission it's about a symbol of

1032
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:41,119
of um submission if i believe that

1033
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:44,560
and i do if i know that to be right here

1034
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:46,880
then i'm not going to wear a mask and

1035
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:47,680
i'm going to

1036
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:49,359
whatever the consequences are of that i

1037
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:51,599
i well they'll have to take their course

1038
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,960
because i'm doing what i know to be

1039
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:54,640
right

1040
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:58,079
if if you you're in a state where

1041
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:01,280
you you feel that

1042
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:04,880
but what are the consequences for me

1043
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:08,000
uh then

1044
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:11,119
witico's got you so righteous

1045
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:14,240
righteous action is it's heart

1046
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:17,760
see when you open your heart it's not

1047
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:22,319
you know the the love of pure attraction

1048
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:23,040
which was

1049
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:25,920
is associated with the again the

1050
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:28,560
distortion of what love is

1051
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:31,200
what we call love is innate intelligence

1052
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:31,839
why

1053
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:34,319
because it's it's a massive connection

1054
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:36,800
to expanded awareness

1055
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,560
which is why this cult wants to shut the

1056
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:40,079
heart down

1057
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:43,760
my heart aches my heart is broken

1058
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:46,960
look at all the associations of heart

1059
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:49,280
to states of human perception and states

1060
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:50,000
of human

1061
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:53,920
emotion it's not just attraction

1062
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:57,119
it's innate intelligence and something

1063
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:57,520
else

1064
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:00,960
it is without that which

1065
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:03,920
enslaves humanity more than anything

1066
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:06,480
else it is without fear

1067
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:09,119
because this knows it doesn't think this

1068
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:10,960
thinks

1069
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:14,720
it knows that we are

1070
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:18,000
an expression of infinite awareness that

1071
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:21,359
that is on an infinite journey

1072
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:25,200
of explanation of forever forever

1073
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,000
so what is there to fear

1074
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:32,480
from that state of self i i wrote to

1075
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:35,599
somebody today i said life starts

1076
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:38,880
when fear of death ends it's one of the

1077
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:39,520
great

1078
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,950
fears fear of the unknown which is it's

1079
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:46,800
an expression of

1080
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:49,599
um and so this does what it knows to be

1081
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:51,920
right so if you open your heart

1082
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:53,440
first of all it takes you beyond the

1083
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:55,839
wateco frequency

1084
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:58,079
which eco can't influence that it could

1085
00:43:02,710 --> 00:42:59,440
close the heart

1086
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:02,720
and close this heart vortex but it can't

1087
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:04,880
influence

1088
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:07,680
what what this heart vortex in an open

1089
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:08,400
state

1090
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:11,599
is um is connecting with because it's

1091
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:13,599
out of its frequency range

1092
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:18,560
um and if you um if you are without fear

1093
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:22,240
then you are without intimidation

1094
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:24,880
and without intimidation the few cannot

1095
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:26,960
possibly control the many

1096
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,720
one of the things alex that's come out

1097
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:30,720
of this is um

1098
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,160
is putting to bed at least in a vast

1099
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:36,000
number of new people

1100
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:38,000
the idea that i've been told again and

1101
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,079
again in the last 30 years a few people

1102
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:42,000
can't control the world

1103
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:45,119
but they can because you've just

1104
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,920
watched it happen you've just watched

1105
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:49,839
billions under house arrest because a

1106
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,960
tiny few people

1107
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:52,960
said that it should happen now how does

1108
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:55,680
that happen it happens because

1109
00:44:02,950 --> 00:43:59,920
those um who are uh told to submit to it

1110
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:02,960
acquiesce to it it's a whole

1111
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:06,560
um sequence of

1112
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,119
imposition by the few acquiescence by

1113
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,800
the many impositioned by the few

1114
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:12,560
acquiescence by the many

1115
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:15,760
now when this opens when you connect

1116
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:16,480
with that

1117
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:19,200
what we call love but that it's that's

1118
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:20,560
been so

1119
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:23,599
uh discredited as in its real meaning we

1120
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,560
have to use things like

1121
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,880
unconditional love or infinite love to

1122
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:28,560
try to get anywhere near it

1123
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:31,599
once that happens you you you're not in

1124
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:32,720
fear

1125
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,079
thus you're not um intimidated thus you

1126
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:38,960
will always do what you know to be right

1127
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,280
um and if enough people did that

1128
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:45,119
then it would be game over because the

1129
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:46,800
few can only control the many of them

1130
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:48,640
any acquiesce to it

1131
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:50,480
david you give me chills i mean you

1132
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:51,680
literally give me chills

1133
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:53,920
that's so eloquent and now we understand

1134
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:55,040
why you fill up

1135
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,800
you're allowed to travel and be

1136
00:45:02,829 --> 00:45:00,800
in other countries while you speak to

1137
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:02,839
thousands and thousands of people

1138
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:06,480
unprecedented uh really for for someone

1139
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:09,920
of in the lane that you're riding in to

1140
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,880
do that

1141
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:12,319
but i want to return to a question i

1142
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:13,760
asked kind of at the beginning because i

1143
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:16,240
think it's also something that

1144
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:18,079
people struggle with people who are

1145
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:20,720
spiritually minded struggle with

1146
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:24,000
and that is the action versus

1147
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:27,599
being part like i need to just be

1148
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:31,280
my spiritual self and evolve my

1149
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,160
spiritual self

1150
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,800
versus i need to take action and

1151
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:36,960
sometimes that action might be

1152
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,599
in conflict ultimately with someone else

1153
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:41,760
even if i don't seek that out

1154
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:45,520
how do you balance that action versus

1155
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,640
being the doing versus being part that

1156
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,160
you you get what i'm saying in terms of

1157
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:52,400
those are common terms common questions

1158
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:56,000
inside spiritual communities but your

1159
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:59,440
being becomes your doing

1160
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:02,000
you're doing is an expression of your

1161
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:03,599
being

1162
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:07,040
and i do find alex and you know i've

1163
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:08,640
been on this journey a long time

1164
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:10,079
and and i've seen a lot of things i've

1165
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:11,680
met a lot of people

1166
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:15,200
um the height of what was called the new

1167
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:17,520
age movement

1168
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:21,839
i saw um i met some lovely people

1169
00:46:29,950 --> 00:46:25,680
but i saw an enormous amount

1170
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:29,960
of denial and

1171
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:36,079
escapism masquerading as spirituality

1172
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:39,359
whereby um i'm just working on my

1173
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:43,280
being and that being an excuse not to

1174
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:44,640
express

1175
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:48,000
a doing because you'd rather not

1176
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:51,359
face the consequences of doing it

1177
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:53,839
and so they used to say about because

1178
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:54,800
when i when i

1179
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:58,079
started going around america

1180
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:01,280
in the early 1990s or mid 1990s

1181
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:04,560
um i was invited to speak

1182
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:06,880
here and there at those big whole life

1183
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:08,880
expos they used to have

1184
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,720
things won out of los angeles one out of

1185
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,319
san francisco

1186
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:14,319
and i would be the strange conspiracy

1187
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:15,920
guy um at uh

1188
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:17,359
ten o'clock at night when everyone had

1189
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:18,960
gone home

1190
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:22,559
um and they used to say

1191
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:26,160
but what you're saying is negative

1192
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:29,359
and well two things to that uh

1193
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:32,480
well they also used to say um you

1194
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,200
you you you're getting people to go go

1195
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:37,280
into fear

1196
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:40,160
well two things well a number of things

1197
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:41,440
never mind two

1198
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:44,640
one if you are if you are

1199
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:47,920
spiritually kind of open as you say you

1200
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:50,079
are so what what why are you talking

1201
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:51,760
about fear

1202
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:53,359
you know fear should not be affecting

1203
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:55,119
you if you if you if you're really

1204
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:56,640
connected

1205
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:59,599
and this is the other point i used to

1206
00:48:04,829 --> 00:48:00,800
hear them say

1207
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:07,510
yes but

1208
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:11,280
in that case wouldn't it be a good idea

1209
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:15,599
to address what is keeping them asleep

1210
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:18,800
because if you if you read my books alex

1211
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:22,480
i never cover in a book

1212
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,280
the name states places nature of the

1213
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:28,079
conspiracy without doing the

1214
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:30,640
go into the spiritual nature of reality

1215
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:31,599
because the two

1216
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:35,119
are not um apart from each other they

1217
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:36,319
are expressions of

1218
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:39,839
each other uh and you know

1219
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:42,880
i don't think myself that we come into

1220
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:44,960
this reality

1221
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:47,680
as it is to then try to convince

1222
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,920
ourselves that we haven't

1223
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:51,920
and therefore we we we don't have to go

1224
00:48:55,470 --> 00:48:53,440
into areas that

1225
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,480
we'd rather not go into true

1226
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:57,359
spirituality

1227
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:01,200
the great spiritual people of history

1228
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:03,359
were not necessarily and overwhelmingly

1229
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:06,319
were not those who went to church

1230
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:10,079
they weren't those who who ran some

1231
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:13,680
some covenant or cult they were the ones

1232
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:14,079
that

1233
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,040
actually said this is not right and i am

1234
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:19,359
going to do what i can to make a

1235
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:20,240
difference about

1236
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:22,160
it and they didn't call themselves

1237
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:23,520
spiritual

1238
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:26,319
they didn't call themselves religious

1239
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,520
they just

1240
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:29,440
did what they knew to be right and

1241
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:32,240
they're the people that change things

1242
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:34,559
because they face head-on what needs

1243
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:35,440
changing

1244
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:38,880
rather than trying to find an excuse not

1245
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:40,079
to go there

1246
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:41,440
i'll give you an example just a quick

1247
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:44,000
one are there there's someone

1248
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:47,680
in britain who uh kind of

1249
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,200
claims to be part of the alternative

1250
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:51,200
media um

1251
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:54,960
but when the mass came in um

1252
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:57,839
for mandatory mastering shops they said

1253
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:59,680
that they had made a decision

1254
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:01,599
that they were going to wear a mask in

1255
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:02,720
shops

1256
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,599
because they said they they didn't want

1257
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,680
old people to feel unsafe

1258
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:09,599
right so you're listening to that you're

1259
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:11,040
saying no

1260
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:14,240
let me just rephras um translate that

1261
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:17,680
you want an excuse not to

1262
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:20,240
um disobey authority that's what you do

1263
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:20,720
you want

1264
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:23,280
and so you you've come up with that and

1265
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:24,640
this is what i mean

1266
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:27,680
about finding an excuse not to do what

1267
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:28,960
you know to be right

1268
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:31,359
and for me once you do this everything

1269
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:32,720
changes everything

1270
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:36,079
everything changes not least because

1271
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,480
um as this takes you out there

1272
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,040
to levels of perception level of insight

1273
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:44,880
levels of awareness

1274
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:47,520
that are not within this bubble but are

1275
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:49,280
well beyond the bubble

1276
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:53,599
you can um observe this reality

1277
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,359
from outside this reality and so instead

1278
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:59,520
of within the bubble everything's random

1279
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:01,280
dots what's going on

1280
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:04,079
you see the picture when you go into

1281
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:06,000
this expanded state of awareness

1282
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,520
and you know i'm not sitting on a

1283
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:09,599
mountain like the buddha

1284
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:11,119
saying look you know i've found

1285
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:12,880
enlightenment um

1286
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:16,880
this is this is our natural state

1287
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,760
is it okay for the buddha to sit on the

1288
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:21,680
mountain is it okay for that

1289
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:23,839
yogi to sit in the caves in the

1290
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,240
himalayas is he maybe doing his right

1291
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,240
action because i love what you're saying

1292
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:30,720
i totally you're so totally congruent in

1293
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:31,680
what you're saying

1294
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:33,680
can people express that differently or

1295
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:35,119
or is non-action

1296
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:38,000
always an excuse but but of course they

1297
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:38,880
can

1298
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:45,040
but then again you know when you take

1299
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:47,839
the story of the buddha

1300
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:51,040
it wasn't about non-action

1301
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,040
sharing um knowledge is not non-action

1302
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,520
it does action doesn't have to mean that

1303
00:52:04,470 --> 00:51:59,680
you you gra you grab

1304
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:04,480
a a poster and go out on the street

1305
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:07,200
in fact i think that's that's a waste of

1306
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:08,079
of

1307
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,200
um you know i see um people um

1308
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:17,119
mistaking in my view i can only come

1309
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,480
from from where i'm coming from other

1310
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:20,160
people have a different view and they're

1311
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:22,720
entitled to it the right to it but i see

1312
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:23,280
people

1313
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:27,920
um going out on protests

1314
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:30,319
i i'll give you an example we had a

1315
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:31,040
protest

1316
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,599
uh in britain um against the up against

1317
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:35,440
the government against the establishment

1318
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,720
right it was an basically an

1319
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:38,720
anti-establishment protest

1320
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:40,720
but everyone was wearing a mask or vast

1321
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:42,640
numbers were wearing a mask

1322
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:46,640
so you you're going on a protest

1323
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:49,680
against the establishment yeah are you

1324
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,119
wearing a mask why

1325
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:53,280
well well because they told us we have

1326
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:54,559
to uh yeah okay

1327
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,079
so how does that work out you know

1328
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,720
and you go out and you protest okay you

1329
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:02,400
protested and you know it makes you feel

1330
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:04,559
good okay that's no problem with that

1331
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:08,160
but then what um or are you gonna we

1332
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:10,240
gotta fight the enemy oh yeah

1333
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:11,760
we're gonna fight the enemy we're gonna

1334
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:14,559
stop our weapons we're gonna fight them

1335
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:19,520
um and yet none of that is necessary

1336
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:23,040
all that is necessary is

1337
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:25,040
i'm going to do what i know to be right

1338
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,800
and different people will

1339
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:28,319
come to different conclusions but you're

1340
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:30,880
doing what you know to be right

1341
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:35,359
uh and therefore you're not just

1342
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:38,079
in that perceptual state you are going

1343
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:39,280
to express it

1344
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:42,800
it's not just a being it's a doing

1345
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:46,400
and therefore

1346
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:56,230
you are making a massive statement and

1347
00:54:03,349 --> 00:53:59,359
collectively you are making a a

1348
00:54:08,829 --> 00:54:03,359
transformation of society with a simple

1349
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:11,270
no

1350
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:15,040
can be an incredibly powerfully positive

1351
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:18,240
word you are going to do this because we

1352
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:20,319
the few have said you will do it

1353
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:23,520
no won't do it no no panna

1354
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:27,359
no protest no stockpiling weapons

1355
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:31,680
no not doing it um and and whenever

1356
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:34,800
thousands of people have

1357
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:38,000
refused to acquiesce

1358
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:42,240
refuse to obey um

1359
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,720
the all-powerful state

1360
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:48,720
doesn't know what to do with them

1361
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:49,760
because the

1362
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,440
the state power and cult power behind

1363
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:55,440
the state

1364
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:58,960
depend on human acquiescence it

1365
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:02,160
it um it depends on

1366
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:06,079
people saying yes sir

1367
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:09,440
when they really would rather say no

1368
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:13,200
but what are the consequences for me

1369
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:16,960
the heart would never do that

1370
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:20,000
that's incredible two

1371
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:21,520
maybe three more questions if i can

1372
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:24,079
squeeze it in one could you speak

1373
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:27,520
to religion because

1374
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:30,000
many people get offended they feel like

1375
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:32,480
religious beliefs are somehow protected

1376
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:33,359
beliefs

1377
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:36,480
and to many other folks it just looks

1378
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:38,079
like a complete

1379
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:39,920
another aspect of this social

1380
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:41,119
engineering project

1381
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:44,799
it's a way of getting between us

1382
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:47,280
and our connection to that ultimate

1383
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:48,079
extended

1384
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:51,280
consciousness it takes many forms it has

1385
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:52,319
many of the

1386
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:55,599
aspects of control that you've talked

1387
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:56,799
about

1388
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:00,559
speak to religious beliefs and

1389
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:02,960
whatever you have to say about that well

1390
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:05,280
i'm i i call it in general the god

1391
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:06,880
program

1392
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,160
and we have all these religions alex

1393
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:12,400
but when you break it down when you

1394
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:14,799
break the god program down

1395
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:18,079
it it operates same it's a blueprint

1396
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:19,599
and all the different names and

1397
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,000
different rituals they kind of

1398
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:24,400
obscure the fact that actually it is a

1399
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:26,559
very simple blueprint

1400
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:29,200
and you've mentioned part of it there in

1401
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,160
that

1402
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:32,319
you know i talk about this with eco

1403
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:33,200
virus

1404
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:37,040
spaces

1405
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:40,799
mind

1406
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:43,520
and uh expanded awareness well look at

1407
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:44,559
the blueprint

1408
00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:48,160
of religion okay so what are you

1409
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:50,480
i'm a christian what does that mean well

1410
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:51,920
i go to church

1411
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:55,599
and this man in a frock

1412
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:59,200
these women often now uh tells me what

1413
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:00,400
god wants me to do

1414
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:03,119
okay well that's interesting and uh he

1415
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:05,200
tells me the consequences of me not

1416
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:07,359
doing what god wants me to do

1417
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:10,400
okay are you oh i'm a muslim

1418
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:12,240
what does that mean well i go to the

1419
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:13,760
mosque and this man

1420
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:16,880
um in in in a frock he tells me

1421
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:20,000
what god uh uh wants me to do and what

1422
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:22,880
god will do if i don't do what god says

1423
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:24,559
which is what this man in a frock tells

1424
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:25,599
me he says

1425
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:29,359
okay you oh i i i follow judaism

1426
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:30,559
what does that mean well i go to the

1427
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:33,119
synagogue for this man in a frock he

1428
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:34,960
tells me what god wants me to do and

1429
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,400
that there'll be hell and damn nation if

1430
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:38,319
i don't do what he says

1431
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,160
uh and um and that's that that that's

1432
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:44,160
what judaism is and so you go on and you

1433
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:46,160
go on and you go on

1434
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:50,079
um and what are those people in frocks

1435
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:52,400
actually doing alex they're getting in

1436
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:55,200
the spaces

1437
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:58,640
between the five sense mind and expanded

1438
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:01,760
consciousness they do not want a direct

1439
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:03,359
connection

1440
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:10,000
correct and it's only a human language

1441
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:10,880
because

1442
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:14,319
is all

1443
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:18,000
one does not connect it just is

1444
00:58:25,109 --> 00:58:22,079
um and what what happens is that we get

1445
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:25,119
a disconnection of

1446
00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:27,200
influence it doesn't mean we're not

1447
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,400
still part of the

1448
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,480
the great forever we always are and

1449
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:32,160
always will be it's that it's not

1450
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:34,799
influencing us because of this

1451
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:36,160
perceptual isolation

1452
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:38,559
which religion has played a major major

1453
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:39,680
part in

1454
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:43,680
so what you had originally

1455
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:48,160
was uh a forms of culture

1456
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:51,599
that for all their flaws and there were

1457
00:58:56,309 --> 00:58:52,720
many

1458
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:56,319
um they practiced a

1459
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:58,240
direct connection with what they

1460
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:00,079
perceived as the creator or

1461
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:03,280
um what i call the one

1462
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:06,640
and then religion came in

1463
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:11,520
and it um created that blueprint

1464
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:14,799
and we got the only through this can you

1465
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:16,079
get to god

1466
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:19,680
only through me only through me um

1467
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:21,839
only through believing me and what i say

1468
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:22,799
um can you

1469
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:25,680
can you get there and by the way um

1470
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:26,880
we're going to give you a

1471
00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:32,319
of rules and regulations

1472
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:35,200
and if you don't follow them well you

1473
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:36,000
well

1474
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:40,160
that's where you're going mate

1475
00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:44,640
and then as the impact of that

1476
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:47,359
and what was that there was a it was a

1477
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:48,720
tiny tiny

1478
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:53,920
um perceptual state that's being sold

1479
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:54,640
here

1480
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:56,640
you can't question it because you're

1481
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:58,240
black you're a blasphemer if you do and

1482
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,200
you're out you're not one of us anymore

1483
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:03,359
but as people started to reject that

1484
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:06,400
then in came mainstream science

1485
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:09,520
and we went from a

1486
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:14,079
situation where you can only get to the

1487
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,920
state of expanded consciousness as i

1488
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:17,520
would call it

1489
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:20,319
if you do what we tell you because we

1490
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:23,119
know what god wants we went to

1491
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:26,319
actually there is no state of expanded

1492
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:27,520
consciousness

1493
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:31,119
there's just you and you come out of

1494
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:32,880
nowhere three score years and ten if

1495
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:34,079
you're lucky and then

1496
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:37,040
you go back into nowhere so and now

1497
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:38,799
basically you've got these two

1498
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:43,599
working uh simultaneously with the

1499
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:46,720
the science through technology and

1500
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:49,200
the technocracy that's developing

1501
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:51,920
control by technocrats not politicians

1502
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:54,240
um is is now becoming more and more and

1503
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:56,559
more more dominant

1504
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:59,119
and there's a common theme i mean just

1505
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:00,319
look at the common themes

1506
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:03,599
everywhere that this system

1507
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:06,720
this cult behind the system is

1508
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:11,440
um emphasizing everywhere and that is

1509
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:14,880
you you cannot have a direct connection

1510
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:18,000
with expanded states of consciousness

1511
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:20,160
you did have that direct connection and

1512
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:21,440
i wonder if you could

1513
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:23,680
tell us how that inform this whole

1514
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:25,920
process because a lot of people go back

1515
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:28,559
they'll look they'll read in your books

1516
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:30,000
and maybe you want to mention the books

1517
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:31,520
that actually detail

1518
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:33,040
you being on the mountain and having

1519
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:34,559
that experience direct

1520
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:37,200
experience personal experience and then

1521
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:38,000
interacting with

1522
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:40,480
nature in a strange way that we hear so

1523
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:42,079
often you know the cloud comes over i

1524
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:43,040
can't only tell you

1525
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:44,480
how many times i've heard that from

1526
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:46,559
other people who've had these shamanic

1527
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:48,640
journeys but you experienced this

1528
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:49,680
extended realm

1529
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:51,760
it even changed you in this

1530
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:53,520
transformational way where

1531
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:55,200
a lot of people struggle reintegrating

1532
01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:56,960
that and you did for a few months

1533
01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:58,960
but then you just explode in terms of

1534
01:02:01,750 --> 01:02:00,319
your knowledge and what you've been able

1535
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:01,760
to bring forth with that

1536
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:04,000
but i also want you to expl explain if

1537
01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:04,799
you can

1538
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:06,640
what you learned about the other realms

1539
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:09,119
of that extended realm

1540
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:10,799
in particular maybe some of the darker

1541
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:13,039
aspects of it can you tie that into it

1542
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:14,559
your direct experience and where we can

1543
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:15,839
learn more about that

1544
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:18,000
well i mean what what happened to me is

1545
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:20,480
um just very quickly uh i was a

1546
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:22,400
television presenter with the bbc

1547
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:24,000
and a national spokesman for the british

1548
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:26,720
green party at the time in the 1980s

1549
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:29,760
um i had this strange experience uh

1550
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:33,599
over a year where when i was in a room

1551
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:34,960
alone it seemed like

1552
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:36,799
there was someone else there this got

1553
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:38,559
more and more tangible more and more

1554
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:39,839
powerful

1555
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:43,200
and eventually i um spoke out into an

1556
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:44,880
empty hotel room

1557
01:02:48,549 --> 01:02:46,480
if you're there would you please contact

1558
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:48,559
me because you're driving me up the wall

1559
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:52,240
and a few days later not many days

1560
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:55,200
i was in a bookstore just down the road

1561
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:56,880
from here still there not a bookstore so

1562
01:03:02,470 --> 01:02:58,319
much as a news shop

1563
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:02,480
news agent and i had this experience

1564
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:05,599
um where suddenly

1565
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:09,839
my feet uh were stuck to the ground

1566
01:03:14,309 --> 01:03:12,240
um i was standing at the entrance uh

1567
01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:14,319
like magnets were pulling them down

1568
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:16,640
to the ground and i had this it wasn't a

1569
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:17,599
voice it was a

1570
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:19,920
thought form a strong thought form it

1571
01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:21,520
said go and look at the books on the far

1572
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:23,599
side now i'm new to all this at the time

1573
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:25,599
this is 30 years ago

1574
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:28,960
uh and i'm bewildered of what's going on

1575
01:03:32,549 --> 01:03:31,440
and and i start walking towards the very

1576
01:03:34,870 --> 01:03:32,559
few books in this

1577
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:34,880
shop because it sold tourist things

1578
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:36,559
buckets and spades

1579
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:39,039
newspapers and stuff very few books and

1580
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:39,920
they were

1581
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:41,839
romantic novels overwhelmingly i knew

1582
01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:43,119
the shop well i thought

1583
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:44,480
what what the hell am i going over here

1584
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:46,720
for but

1585
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:48,720
something was leading me there and i got

1586
01:03:51,670 --> 01:03:50,160
there and there was one book in among

1587
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:51,680
the romantic novels and it was a book

1588
01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:53,520
called mind to mind by betty shine who

1589
01:03:56,549 --> 01:03:55,280
was a professional psychic i'd never

1590
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:56,559
psychic before

1591
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:58,799
but i i just had a year with this

1592
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:00,480
presence around me and which was getting

1593
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:02,480
more and more powerful so

1594
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:04,880
i read her book i went to see her not

1595
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:05,920
telling her anything

1596
01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:08,480
except that you know maybe her hands-on

1597
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:10,960
healing might help side arthritis

1598
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:14,640
and um in the three times three times

1599
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:16,319
four times i went over a period of a

1600
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:17,440
month

1601
01:04:22,230 --> 01:04:20,640
um she went into psychic mode and said i

1602
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:22,240
was going to go out in a world stage and

1603
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:25,520
reveal great secrets and basically

1604
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:27,119
she described what has happened in the

1605
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:28,640
last 30 years

1606
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:33,520
um in um in in a few minutes

1607
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:37,280
and then i

1608
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:39,520
in a bewildered state because my life

1609
01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:41,359
was dramatically changing my

1610
01:04:44,510 --> 01:04:42,799
awareness my perceptions were

1611
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:44,520
dramatically changing through

1612
01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:48,640
1990 and into early 1991 and suddenly i

1613
01:04:52,470 --> 01:04:50,960
um i had this overwhelming feeling to go

1614
01:04:58,950 --> 01:04:52,480
to peru

1615
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:58,960
purely on i i know i know i need to go

1616
01:05:02,309 --> 01:05:00,640
there you know this this intuitive

1617
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:02,319
knowing that we have when we open our

1618
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:03,280
heart

1619
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:05,119
uh and so i went there and lots of

1620
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:07,440
amazing things happened uh but i ended

1621
01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:08,160
up on a

1622
01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:10,160
on a on a hill at a place called

1623
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:11,599
siustani

1624
01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:14,000
uh not far from puno in uh near lake

1625
01:05:18,870 --> 01:05:15,440
city car car

1626
01:05:22,069 --> 01:05:18,880
and um i i i was

1627
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:22,079
i was in a i was in a kind of a taxi bus

1628
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:23,760
which i'd hired to take me there it was

1629
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:25,200
out of season

1630
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:28,000
uh and as we were driving away um i

1631
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:29,520
looked at this hill

1632
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:32,079
and uh all i could hear in my head was

1633
01:05:37,109 --> 01:05:33,440
come to me come to me

1634
01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:37,119
people

1635
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:38,960
will appreciate when this is all new to

1636
01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:40,480
you you know you wonder what the hell's

1637
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:41,599
happening to you

1638
01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:43,680
so anyway i said stop the bus please

1639
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:45,119
because i'm going up that hill and i

1640
01:05:49,829 --> 01:05:46,559
went up the hill

1641
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:49,839
and um as i was standing there

1642
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:52,079
under a piercing hot peruvian sun with

1643
01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:53,599
no clouds

1644
01:05:57,430 --> 01:05:56,880
what um came through my through my head

1645
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:57,440
was

1646
01:06:01,670 --> 01:05:59,839
um they'll be talking about this a

1647
01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:01,680
hundred years from now

1648
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:04,640
um it will be over when you feel the

1649
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:05,839
rain

1650
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:09,039
which was a ridiculous thing under a

1651
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:10,079
piercing hot

1652
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:13,359
cloudless peruvian sky but anyway this

1653
01:06:16,870 --> 01:06:15,280
energy started to

1654
01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:16,880
go into the top of my head and through

1655
01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:19,599
my feet and then come the other way

1656
01:06:23,349 --> 01:06:22,000
and my arms went out at 45 degrees

1657
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:23,359
without any conscious

1658
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:26,400
decision to do it and

1659
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:29,200
the energy was building up building up

1660
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:31,680
my body started to shake

1661
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:34,640
and um and i was going in and out of

1662
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:36,160
consciousness like when you're driving a

1663
01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:37,520
car and you forget where the last two

1664
01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:38,880
miles has gone your subconscious has

1665
01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:39,920
been driving the car

1666
01:06:44,069 --> 01:06:41,920
thank goodness and it was a bit like

1667
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:44,079
that and one of these times i came back

1668
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:44,640
to

1669
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:48,240
was um

1670
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:49,839
a light grey mist over the distant

1671
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:52,160
mountains and as i watched it happened

1672
01:06:56,069 --> 01:06:53,280
it was a quick

1673
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:56,079
ridiculously quick like a like a a a

1674
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:56,720
video

1675
01:07:01,910 --> 01:07:00,240
um on on fast forward and um

1676
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:01,920
it got darker and darker and i thought

1677
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:03,680
it's raining over those mountains

1678
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:05,760
and in the next uh little while i

1679
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:06,720
watched this

1680
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:10,079
uh well it was just stair rod rain

1681
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:12,480
coming towards me and and as it got

1682
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:15,520
towards me it was straight out of some

1683
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:18,559
b movie that no one would ever believe

1684
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:22,480
it was a wall of rain coming towards me

1685
01:07:25,750 --> 01:07:25,200
and um eventually it hit me and i was

1686
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:25,760
soaked

1687
01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:29,039
in a second and by this time my body is

1688
01:07:36,789 --> 01:07:33,440
shaking uh crazy with this energy

1689
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:36,799
and um as soon as the the rain hit me

1690
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:39,839
the the energy went stopped and now

1691
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:43,520
my arms which didn't hurt before

1692
01:07:49,829 --> 01:07:46,720
agony my legs were like jelly

1693
01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:53,029
my life changed then um i i

1694
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:56,079
i came back to england um

1695
01:08:01,109 --> 01:07:59,039
concepts and things uh insights were

1696
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:01,119
pouring into my conscious mind

1697
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,680
far far too many to process and um

1698
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:07,440
it was like pressing too many keys on

1699
01:08:13,829 --> 01:08:10,319
the computer the computer froze couldn't

1700
01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:13,839
process it uh and i went through three

1701
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:14,559
months

1702
01:08:19,749 --> 01:08:18,960
of um almost not knowing my name not

1703
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:19,759
quite that

1704
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:21,920
but but you get the point i didn't know

1705
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:23,600
where i was what i was doing what was

1706
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:24,000
happening

1707
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:27,440
to me and then

1708
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:31,839
um it was like the computer unfroze

1709
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:33,520
after about three months and it happened

1710
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:35,839
very good the unfreezing happened very

1711
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:36,880
quickly

1712
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:40,400
and suddenly i am who i was before

1713
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:43,920
but not people who um

1714
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:46,000
who i met were saying well i thought

1715
01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:47,279
you'd supposed to have gone crazy though

1716
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:48,640
because it wasn't all the media i'd gone

1717
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:50,080
mad because i was a television presenter

1718
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:50,880
at the time

1719
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:58,229
they said you've gone mad you're the

1720
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:00,480
you're the dave always known

1721
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:03,600
and i kind of was outwardly like i am

1722
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:04,640
now

1723
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:07,520
but uh i saw the world completely

1724
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:08,239
differently

1725
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:10,480
instead of instead of seeing the dots i

1726
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:12,960
saw i saw how they connected

1727
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:16,880
um i i would see what was really being

1728
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:18,560
said as opposed to what the word

1729
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:23,040
said and what i what happened was

1730
01:09:30,829 --> 01:09:26,400
my life became the synchronistic journey

1731
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:30,839
of meeting people running into

1732
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:33,520
experiences coming across documents and

1733
01:09:36,149 --> 01:09:34,000
books

1734
01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:36,159
and it was was like some force was

1735
01:09:41,590 --> 01:09:38,480
handing me puzzle pieces in the

1736
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:41,600
to put into the picture and you know

1737
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:43,839
i've got a stream of books here

1738
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:45,920
a lot of them are very considerable

1739
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:46,960
because they cover so many

1740
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:48,640
interconnected subjects

1741
01:09:52,149 --> 01:09:50,480
and i would never have been able to

1742
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:52,159
produce those books

1743
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:57,199
if i was um just using my conscious mind

1744
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:00,400
and there wasn't some other force

1745
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:02,880
that was it was like walking through a

1746
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:04,400
maze alex

1747
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:06,640
and someone was opening and shutting the

1748
01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:07,840
doors uh

1749
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:10,159
so you went in the right direction

1750
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:10,960
without that

1751
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:12,239
and that was coming from some other

1752
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:14,400
level uh then you you

1753
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:18,080
couldn't be done because what

1754
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:20,080
what is what is being uncovered and what

1755
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:21,679
i uncover in the answer

1756
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:24,480
um does not want to be uncovered and

1757
01:10:27,669 --> 01:10:25,679
without

1758
01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:27,679
support from other levels of

1759
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:29,199
consciousness reality whatever you want

1760
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:30,080
to call them

1761
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:32,320
you couldn't possibly have unraveled it

1762
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:33,360
um and it is

1763
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:35,600
you know i mean it's taken 30 years as

1764
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:36,640
it is

1765
01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:39,840
but without that um without that uh that

1766
01:10:44,229 --> 01:10:41,120
that support that

1767
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:44,239
um guidance uh

1768
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:46,800
you couldn't be done david final

1769
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:47,840
question

1770
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:50,560
the new book the answer that is out just

1771
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:52,080
now it's just coming out today

1772
01:10:58,149 --> 01:10:55,440
or tomorrow i think as as we speak here

1773
01:10:59,590 --> 01:10:58,159
what does it have to say about a topic

1774
01:11:03,189 --> 01:10:59,600
you've covered

1775
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:03,199
uh more thoroughly and before anyone

1776
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:05,040
really was on it again i mean it's like

1777
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:06,480
a repeating story

1778
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:10,080
about our connection to the

1779
01:11:15,189 --> 01:11:13,199
ufo et phenomenon and

1780
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:15,199
in particular i wanted to hone in on a

1781
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:16,560
couple of points you know in the last

1782
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:17,760
couple of years here in the united

1783
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:19,120
states

1784
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:22,239
the department of defense has

1785
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:23,920
taken hold of that narrative has

1786
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:27,120
co-opted have spun it into

1787
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:29,920
this political in my opinion what is a

1788
01:11:34,870 --> 01:11:32,159
political psyop disclosure

1789
01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:34,880
and it has very much of this is a

1790
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:35,840
national defense

1791
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:38,640
issue so we have that on one hand it's

1792
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:39,840
almost like a parallel what you're

1793
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:41,280
talking about oh we have science and

1794
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:42,239
religion

1795
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:46,080
each sandwiches us in to disrupt our

1796
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:47,840
understanding of the consciousness here

1797
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:49,120
we have the good e.t

1798
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:51,440
bad et and we have both narratives

1799
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:54,000
existing at the same time where the dod

1800
01:11:59,910 --> 01:11:57,280
is continuing to spin the

1801
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:59,920
e.t is going to it's a national defense

1802
01:12:02,550 --> 01:12:01,679
issue so give us all the power to go and

1803
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:02,560
deal with it

1804
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:05,840
and then at the same time we have folks

1805
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:08,880
in the ufo community the et

1806
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:11,040
experiencer community are saying no

1807
01:12:16,229 --> 01:12:13,520
these are actually

1808
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:16,239
bringers of spiritual transformation and

1809
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:17,840
it's a good e.t and they're trying to

1810
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:19,679
protect our environment

1811
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:23,360
and so in the process of

1812
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:25,760
if you can covering all that i also want

1813
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:27,840
you to touch on the fact that

1814
01:12:32,229 --> 01:12:30,560
we are almost certainly looking at many

1815
01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:32,239
many species

1816
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:35,360
with many many agendas with many from

1817
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:36,880
different places so

1818
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:39,760
you know we can't automatically just say

1819
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:40,560
et

1820
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:42,719
either can we so i know i laid a lot on

1821
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,159
the table there but

1822
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:46,560
anyone can handle it you can where do

1823
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:47,600
you start well

1824
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,719
i come from that angle from a different

1825
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:52,800
point of view

1826
01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:55,280
just after the turn of the millennium uh

1827
01:13:46,229 --> 01:12:56,239
i

1828
01:13:49,030 --> 01:13:46,239
heck happened

1829
01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:49,040
we had no money we never went anywhere

1830
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:50,560
because

1831
01:13:55,070 --> 01:13:53,840
we had no money and one day would have

1832
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:55,080
been about

1833
01:14:00,070 --> 01:13:58,560
1958 59

1834
01:14:01,990 --> 01:14:00,080
my father walked down the stairs one

1835
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:02,000
morning um and said

1836
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:06,159
we're going to london and uh

1837
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:07,920
i was shocked because i'd never been to

1838
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:09,600
london it was a long time before i'd go

1839
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:10,640
again

1840
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:14,000
and what 1958 59 i would be

1841
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:17,840
six or seven we're going to london

1842
01:14:25,149 --> 01:14:21,360
and i remember we went on a steam train

1843
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:25,159
and my father said we're going to the

1844
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:26,320
planetarium

1845
01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:28,640
right now i didn't know what a

1846
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:30,640
planetarium was

1847
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:32,640
i wasn't bothered i just want i just

1848
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:34,239
wanted to go to london

1849
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:36,560
i'd heard about it or so much about it

1850
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:38,320
so we're on the steam train to london we

1851
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:40,080
go to a planetarium which

1852
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:42,000
i know the date because it had just

1853
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:44,960
opened it opened in 1958 in london

1854
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:47,280
next to madam to swords in london in

1855
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:48,719
baker street

1856
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:52,159
and um so i didn't what to expect so we

1857
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:54,719
walk into this planetarium

1858
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:56,719
and i sit down at the seat i don't know

1859
01:15:01,910 --> 01:14:58,719
what to expect and then suddenly

1860
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:01,920
uh the roof the ceiling

1861
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:05,280
dome ceiling became the night sky

1862
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:07,199
and it must have been about midday we

1863
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:08,800
were sitting there

1864
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:12,320
and i looked at it and something hit me

1865
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:16,000
that never left me that

1866
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:23,430
that could be the night sky it looked

1867
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:24,719
like that it was

1868
01:15:31,350 --> 01:15:28,080
midnight and the roof had come off

1869
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:31,360
and that never left me and um when all

1870
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:32,880
this started for me

1871
01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:36,080
that i've just described um i i looked

1872
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:38,560
up at the sky one day and and it

1873
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:39,600
appeared to me

1874
01:15:44,709 --> 01:15:42,640
as a gigantic dome like summing out of

1875
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:44,719
the truman show you know

1876
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:50,709
that all came back to me when i started

1877
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:51,679
to

1878
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:54,560
go down this road of this is some kind

1879
01:15:59,430 --> 01:15:55,120
of

1880
01:16:03,110 --> 01:15:59,440
holographic projection and

1881
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:03,120
this comes into your question because

1882
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:04,880
of course we know about this whole

1883
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:08,560
concept of the was it the fermi paradox

1884
01:16:13,030 --> 01:16:12,239
of how there can be so many planets and

1885
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:13,040
so many

1886
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:17,120
stars and yet the amount of

1887
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:20,239
conscious et activity

1888
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:23,760
is ridiculously little

1889
01:16:32,830 --> 01:16:27,600
compared with that potential

1890
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:35,110
um

1891
01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:38,960
the the lack of et activity

1892
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:43,199
on the against the potential of it

1893
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:46,400
is part of isolating

1894
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:50,080
human perception you imagine if there

1895
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:50,480
was

1896
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:54,159
um there were uh other races what we

1897
01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:55,920
call ets

1898
01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:58,880
um interacting with the earth imagine

1899
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:01,280
what would happen to human perception

1900
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:04,640
would be dramatically different we would

1901
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:05,920
be getting access

1902
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:09,120
to tremendously different perceptions of

1903
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:10,480
reality

1904
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:13,440
perceptions of possibility how to look

1905
01:17:17,189 --> 01:17:15,120
at life how to look at this

1906
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:17,199
and allowed to look at everything we

1907
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:18,320
would be in a a

1908
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:22,080
completely different knowledge base

1909
01:17:28,630 --> 01:17:25,199
but if you can isolate or perceptually

1910
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:28,640
isolate people to the point where there

1911
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:31,040
is no out there

1912
01:17:34,229 --> 01:17:32,960
or perceived to be no out there

1913
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:34,239
certainly no

1914
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:37,520
conscious interaction then you can

1915
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:40,880
isolate this bubble again and you can

1916
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:41,679
control

1917
01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:48,000
that the target population receives

1918
01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:49,679
which leads to its perception which

1919
01:17:53,910 --> 01:17:51,360
leads to its

1920
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:53,920
behavior and i'm not saying for not for

1921
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:54,800
a second

1922
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:56,080
and i wouldn't because don't believe

1923
01:18:01,510 --> 01:17:58,640
it's true but um

1924
01:18:02,630 --> 01:18:01,520
what we call et's can't come into this

1925
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:02,640
um

1926
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:06,960
projected reality both malevolent and

1927
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:10,239
um but the other kind but um

1928
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:18,950
this this reality uh this astronomical

1929
01:18:23,189 --> 01:18:21,120
reality

1930
01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:23,199
is not teeming with life as you would

1931
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:26,800
probably expect it to be

1932
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:31,840
because if it was the ability to control

1933
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:35,040
would not be a tiny fraction of what it

1934
01:18:38,830 --> 01:18:36,560
did be impossible in fact

1935
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:38,840
there'll be too many sources of other

1936
01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:40,320
information

1937
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:44,480
and i see this

1938
01:18:50,950 --> 01:18:47,520
one planet this one

1939
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:50,960
green from a human physiological point

1940
01:18:54,310 --> 01:18:51,440
of view

1941
01:18:56,149 --> 01:18:54,320
inhabitable planet which according to

1942
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:56,159
mainstream science anyway compared with

1943
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:56,400
the

1944
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:01,120
a billionth of a pinhead

1945
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:03,760
and then i see all this all this uh

1946
01:19:06,239 --> 01:19:12,229
potential for life uh planets stars etc

1947
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:15,990
that appear to not certainly within

1948
01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:18,880
within the frequency band of human sight

1949
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:21,520
not to be inhabited

1950
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:24,960
and it makes no sense to me whatsoever

1951
01:19:31,830 --> 01:19:28,000
that a planet so

1952
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:31,840
small should have this

1953
01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:37,360
phenomenally beautiful environment

1954
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:39,520
very unique environment and then you

1955
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:44,790
and there's nothing else certainly

1956
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:47,040
within

1957
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:49,679
interaction range that's anything like

1958
01:19:58,310 --> 01:19:50,719
it

1959
01:20:01,590 --> 01:19:58,320
believe that

1960
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:01,600
there is nothing out there and

1961
01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:07,199
it's another part of this isolation

1962
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:11,679
and um i i wonder what it is

1963
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:14,480
that we're looking at when we look at

1964
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:16,239
the night sky

1965
01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:19,679
because that experience when i was six

1966
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:21,600
or seven years old in the planetarium

1967
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:23,920
hit me so powerfully

1968
01:20:29,910 --> 01:20:27,600
i never forgot it basically

1969
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:29,920
well if i can see the night sky on the

1970
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:32,880
top of a ceiling

1971
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,470
um and and i'm still thinking like that

1972
01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:42,239
now

1973
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:45,360
and um so i'm like like everything in

1974
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:48,880
all reality there there are uh

1975
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:52,320
benevolent expressions of all there is

1976
01:20:57,430 --> 01:20:55,760
and there are shall we say watiko

1977
01:21:01,270 --> 01:20:57,440
infested expressions

1978
01:21:04,470 --> 01:21:01,280
uh of all it is but i just wonder

1979
01:21:08,709 --> 01:21:04,480
what this what this night sky

1980
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:08,719
really is what this space that we

1981
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:12,400
perceive really is and whether it is

1982
01:21:16,390 --> 01:21:14,560
what we think it is or actually just a

1983
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:16,400
holographic perception

1984
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which would uh projection rather which

1985
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would

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incredibly real as it does

1987
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our guest again has been david ike truly

1988
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as i said at the beginning

1989
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one of the bravest i would say mo the

1990
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most important thinkers of our time

1991
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he's never going to make it on that

1992
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times list of one of the top 100 most

1993
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important thank god alex thank god

1994
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be sure to check out this new book the

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answer

1996
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and hopefully it's an entry point if you

1997
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haven't to checking out

1998
01:21:56,070 --> 01:21:54,560
his other books i think trigger is

1999
01:21:57,669 --> 01:21:56,080
super duper important book if you

2000
01:21:59,830 --> 01:21:57,679
haven't looked at that but his website

2001
01:22:03,510 --> 01:21:59,840
is fantastic too i'm a member

2002
01:22:06,750 --> 01:22:03,520
many many videos blog posts

2003
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:06,760
valuable stuff well well worth it

2004
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iconic.com

2005
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:10,400
and we have to support even more we have

2006
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to support

2007
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this kind of work because part of the

2008
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:16,480
process is to put this

2009
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boa constrictor stranglehold and

2010
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gradually try and

2011
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cut off the money that this important

2012
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:24,880
research

2013
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deserves so david truly truly wonderful

2014
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having you on

2015
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thank you thank you so much thank you

2016
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:32,639
and uh

2017
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we started iconic which now it's about

2018
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:36,400
750 videos

2019
01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:40,320
and series and podcasts

2020
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:43,199
and full-length feature films because we

2021
01:22:47,189 --> 01:22:44,239
could see this uh

2022
01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:47,199
we could see this severe censorship

2023
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:49,120
coming and we wanted a place where this

2024
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could be available

2025
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:52,400
and some great news uh i think is great

2026
01:22:56,470 --> 01:22:53,440
news anyway um

2027
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:56,480
uh we've just uh licensed um vax you

2028
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:58,080
know the movie vacs

2029
01:23:03,669 --> 01:23:01,199
oh yeah right yeah about vaccinations

2030
01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:03,679
which the big controversy with de niro's

2031
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:04,080
um

2032
01:23:08,229 --> 01:23:06,719
film premiere if you remember uh we

2033
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:08,239
we've licensed that so um

2034
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:11,520
that that's on um uh iconic very soon

2035
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:13,920
the only place you can see it streamed

2036
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:15,360
you know what i'd like to do

2037
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:17,280
i'd like to offer if anyone's stuck

2038
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:19,120
around this long

2039
01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:22,880
i'm on a purchase for you for listeners

2040
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:26,480
10 copies of the answer okay

2041
01:23:33,350 --> 01:23:30,000
and i'll assign those randomly for every

2042
01:23:33,830 --> 01:23:33,360
10th person that that gets to me okay so

2043
01:23:37,510 --> 01:23:33,840
the first

2044
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:37,520
100 that email me every 10 one will

2045
01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:40,239
receive a copy of the answer compliments

2046
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:41,920
of the show because it's so so

2047
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:44,080
important and i hope when you receive

2048
01:23:46,550 --> 01:23:46,239
that the one thing i'd ask is that you

2049
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:46,560
do

2050
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:49,360
check out iconic and at least sign up

2051
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:51,040
for a month and see if it doesn't

2052
01:23:54,790 --> 01:23:53,040
provide the kind of value

2053
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:54,800
that i'm talking about okay so just

2054
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:56,880
email me and i'll be honest about it

2055
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:58,400
every 10th one i'll give you a copy the

2056
01:24:00,629 --> 01:23:59,040
answer

2057
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:00,639
with the hope that you'll check out

2058
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:02,800
iconic so david thanks again

2059
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:04,960
good luck with the roll out of this and

2060
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:07,199
all the terrific work that you're doing

2061
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:08,960
real pleasure alex really lovely talking

2062
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:11,280
to you thanks again to david ike for

2063
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:13,280
joining me today on skeptico

2064
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:15,760
i'm probably going to be diving further

2065
01:24:20,629 --> 01:24:16,880
into this topic

2066
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:20,639
because i'm not so certain

2067
01:24:23,669 --> 01:24:23,040
about some of the science he's referring

2068
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:23,679
to

2069
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:26,880
the interview the

2070
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:30,320
overall lay of the land that

2071
01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:34,000
he's describing is so

2072
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:37,679
incredibly on target and way way too

2073
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:38,320
close

2074
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:44,880
to the truth so i guess that is the

2075
01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:46,000
question to tee

2076
01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:48,880
up from this interview and that is what

2077
01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:49,600
do you

2078
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:52,880
take from david ike's view

2079
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:56,480
of the covid19 plandemic

2080
01:25:02,310 --> 01:25:00,000
and what do you leave behind

2081
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,320
love to hear your thoughts they will

2082
01:25:06,709 --> 01:25:04,080
inform me they will

2083
01:25:08,070 --> 01:25:06,719
drive me they will direct me in how i

2084
01:25:11,910 --> 01:25:08,080
move with this so

2085
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:11,920
please let me know what you're thinking

2086
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:12,560
and

2087
01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:16,080
thanks as usual so much for joining me

2088
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:17,840
and for being a part of this

2089
01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:20,159
i have some good ones coming up i did

2090
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:20,880
slip

2091
01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:24,320
david ike in here ahead of some other

2092
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:25,760
ones i have some ones that are going to

2093
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:27,280
be really delayed but

2094
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:30,159
that's okay they'll all get out there

2095
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:31,920
and the book will get out there too

2096
01:25:38,470 --> 01:25:35,520
and it'll all work out just the way

2097
01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:38,480
it's supposed to until next time take

2098
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care